Fresh Thoughts for Church Leadership with Carey Nieuwhof – Season 5 Episode 1

 If you need some fresh thinking about ministry and church leadership right now, this episode is for you.  Terry and Alan have an honest and insightful conversation with Carey Nieuwhof, church and personal leadership speaker, author, blogger and podcaster.  The conversation covers the challenges pastors are facing right now, why engagement is more important than attendance, and the ways churches can be equipping centers versus gathering centers.